1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,935 This program me contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing and strong language 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,415 RADIO STATIONS CHANGE 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,095 LIVELY MUSIC 4 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,055 from Paddy's land... 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,215 Where's this, Ballymurphy? 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,535 See who I can see here. 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,695 I think that's my street. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,175 Oh, Ballymurphy Road. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,495 Flip me! 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,615 I felt a wee bit emotional there, looking back. 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,495 They were happy times, I suppose. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,335 Your youth's always pretty happy, isn't it? 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,455 You think back, because maybe that's the innocence of the times, 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,935 where you don't really know 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,495 the stresses and the worries of the older people. 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,135 So you're happy in yourself. 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,735 You look back and think your life is happy. 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,575 It was good. 19 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,655 You don't really do many interviews like this, do you? 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,095 No. 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,935 I said I would do it for you, and I would just like to do it 22 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:21,135 and then get it behind me. 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,655 I was actually going to phone last week and say, 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,215 "I'm not doing it." Were you? 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,735 I was crying. 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,695 I've been crying an awful lot. 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,255 The feelings all come back out again, 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,615 so putting it out there for people to see, 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,935 our life had been on camera long enough, do you know what I mean? 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,175 But I'm OK. I'm OK, yeah. 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,375 I'm strong. 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,695 The Troubles, that's been our life from, you know, 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,055 from we were children, and the flick of a switch, 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,095 your life changed for ever. 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,535 You're brought into that that group of victims that have been affected 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,255 by the Troubles. 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,655 You're one of them. 38 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,415 It's turned out lovely. Look at that. 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,415 Somebody is looking down on you. 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,455 This is Upperlands. 41 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,735 We're about 40 miles from Belfast and 40 miles from Londonderry. 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,095 My name is June McMullan. 43 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,815 I'm just a country lass from Northern Ireland. 44 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,735 Upperlands, it's a quiet, quiet, sleepy wee village 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,935 in the middle of nowhere. 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,975 Everybody would know everybody. 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,775 I know our village was very much Protestant, 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,695 but that didn't mean we wouldn't have let Catholics in 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,135 or anything like that. 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,575 We were mixing together at school and youth clubs 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,135 and things like that. 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,215 I met Johnny on a Friday night at a wee tiny Orange Hall 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,695 in the middle of nowhere. 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,495 I was going with him when I was about 14 and a half 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,135 and I mind my mother chasing him from the door, 56 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,215 saying, "Away home, the boy, ye!" 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,615 But, no, he kept coming back. 58 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,535 He was a gentle person. 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,575 And he had a car. 60 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,015 If you know what a Lada is! It was like a skip 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,735 with a roof, and he loved them cars. 62 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,775 When you got a lift to a dance, you need to make sure 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,295 you got a lift home. 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,455 So he would take all us girls home. 65 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,215 When you're out in the country, like, the Troubles were happening 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,855 in other places. 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,415 There was nothing in our area, what were they going to blow up? 68 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,175 A couple of sheep, a couple of cows in the field, 69 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,695 like a tree or something like that? 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,015 Country life is so, so different to city life. 71 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,815 On the news, it was constantly talked. 72 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:23,855 IRA, IRA, 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,695 UDA, UVF. 74 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,215 Any kids that were reared in the city 75 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,175 couldn't have had much of a life. 76 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,415 There were so many bombs going off in the city. 77 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,895 This is the reality of Belfast today. 78 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,615 Bombs in the city centre, 79 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,055 so much disruption, so many explosions. 80 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,535 From time to time, 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,655 you forget that it's become part of everyday life. 82 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,735 And that really is one of the tragedies of it. 83 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,895 My name is Bernadette O'Rawe. 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,455 I grew up in the Ballymurphy area of West Belfast. 85 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,775 It wasn't much fun in Ballymurphy. 86 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,935 But you made your own fun in the area, you know? 87 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,055 I was just coming up for maybe 16, I think. 88 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,135 I hadn't really been anywhere outside the area 89 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,575 because you couldn't go into the town 90 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,655 because there was random bombs here or there. 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,855 So people tended to stay within their own areas 92 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,695 from both communities. 93 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,135 There was a community centre, that became one of the places to go. 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,095 I met Ricky in 1975. 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,935 We met in the community centre, and that's where we began our story. 96 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,215 We met at a dance. 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,815 She was four years younger than me. 98 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,055 Couldn't believe my good fortune. 99 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,695 I had the best-looking girl in West Belfast, 100 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,575 punching over my weight. 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,135 No, I just liked the look of him. 102 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,335 We got together, we went out together, 103 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,055 and then I got to know him. 104 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,335 And then I kind of liked what I got to know. 105 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,215 Maybe I got filled in about Ricky's family and his background 106 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,815 from my own daddy, who knew more about them 107 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,575 because he went about with his daddy. 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,295 And then I started to realise how much Republicanism 109 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,175 was in his family, because up till then, I didn't know 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,495 much about Republicanism. 111 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,935 In fact, I didn't know anything about it. 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,095 NEWS REPORT IN GERMAN 113 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,735 The future of Ballymurphy is very bleak. 114 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,215 That's me. 115 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,815 This German documentary team were looking for someone 116 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,055 to speak about Ballymurphy. 117 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,855 Really, there was no work and there was no money. 118 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,495 And it was a society that lived from hand to mouth. 119 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,135 I mean, for a revolutionary, it was tailor made. 120 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,255 I was involved in the IRA. 121 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,055 By the time Bernie came on the scene, 122 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,335 I'd been involved for almost four years. 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,895 She knew I was a Provisional IRA man. 124 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,015 I was known as a gunman. 125 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,895 And I liked it. 126 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,255 I liked the thought of taking the fight to the British. 127 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,415 And I was a committed Republican, I truly was. 128 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,055 If you're going to be out on operations, sooner or later, 129 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,495 you're going to get caught or you're going to get killed. 130 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,175 One or the other. 131 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,135 I was 18, I was pregnant, and then we decided to get married. 132 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,375 I didn't really know what else to expect. 133 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,175 I knew I was going to be a mother. 134 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,415 When we got married, I knew he was in the IRA. 135 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,975 But I said to him, "No, I don't want you in the IRA because I don't want 136 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,455 "to be left sitting as a prisoner's wife." 137 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,415 And he said, "OK, then, I'L give it up.” 138 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,495 But he didn't. 139 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,895 He didn't. 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,895 We got this house up in Mo yard and he left the house one morning 141 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,615 and said he was going to look for a job. 142 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,815 I said, "Right, OK, then, I'll see you later.” 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,535 What had you told her that morning? 144 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:36,775 That I was going to go out, looking for a job. 145 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,655 Looking for work? Yep. 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,415 To sustain their operations, 147 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,135 the Provisional IRA have launched a concerted campaign 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,455 of armed robbery, 149 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,055 and hundreds of thousands of pounds have been stolen, 150 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,175 much of it to fund the Provisional IRA. 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,535 We were asked to rob this bank for the IRA. 152 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,295 It was an order. 153 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,535 We robbed the bank, held up the staff, we held up 154 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:12,415 the customers and filled a pillowcase full of money. 155 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,335 It was a good old-fashioned Jesse James type robbery. 156 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,615 Cops were waiting on us outside the bank. 157 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,815 I ended up getting arrested and I remember actually saying 158 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,455 the words, "Mother Ireland, get off my fucking back." 159 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,495 Right? 160 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,135 He was sent out to rob a bank, 161 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,975 and I was absolutely flabbergasted. 162 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,535 Sent out to rob a bank? For who? 163 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:37,495 He's not in anything. 164 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,375 And I thought, how was I so stupid not to know that he was still there? 165 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,575 It was awful. 166 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,055 It truly was, it was awful. 167 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,055 And you feel like an absolute bastard. 168 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,935 And I let her down badly. 169 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,535 He was sentenced to eight years. 170 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,535 This was exactly what I didn't want. 171 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,655 I thought, "Oh, no, no! 172 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:08,055 “"Now I'm going to be a prisoner's wife. 173 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,495 “"Now I'm going to be a single mother." 174 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,415 I didn't have much of a dream prior to that 175 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,095 but we got married and I thought, 176 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,015 "Well, we have a baby now, so we'll make this dream along the way." 177 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,775 But this was a broken dream. 178 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,855 This turned into a nightmare. 179 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,735 And I was very, very angry with Ricky. 180 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,295 Very let down, very hurt. 181 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:42,255 And it was a very hard and very lonely time. 182 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,935 This is the home for the majority of those convicted of terrorist 183 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,615 of fences in Northern Ireland. 184 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,135 It's called the Maze prison, where just over 1,000 prisoners 185 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,655 are kept in the so-called H-blocks. 186 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,215 The government ruled on March 1st last year that terrorists 187 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,335 convicted of crimes committed after that date would no longer 188 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,255 get special category status but must wear prison uniform, 189 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,375 just like ordinary criminals. 190 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,215 We were in prison because we were fighting the struggle 191 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,455 against the British government. 192 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,095 Prior to 1st March 1976, 193 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,095 all Republican prisoners didn't have to wear prison clothes. 194 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,935 They didn't have to do prison work. 195 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,775 They could be in their own cages, have their own command structure, 196 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,895 virtually political prisoners. 197 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,095 That was the prevailing wind until the Brits says 198 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,615 there will be no more political status. From here on in, 199 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,695 every prisoner is a criminal. 200 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,055 The Republican prisoners, they refused to be criminalised. 201 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,295 They refused to wear prison clothes. 202 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,255 They refused to do prison work. 203 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,575 And they were thrown into a cell and they were thrown a blanket, 204 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,215 hence the term "blanket man". 205 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,455 206 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,375 207 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,335 The time I was sentenced, for me not to go on the blanket 208 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,455 would have been very dish on our able. 209 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,255 their prison garb 210 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,535 211 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:27,175 212 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,295 213 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,015 My hesitation was Bernadette. 214 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,655 After not telling her I was back in the IRA, 215 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,495 here I was going on this blanket thing, right? 216 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,695 That was going to ensure that every minute that I was on it 217 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,655 was a minute longer before I could get back to her. 218 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,255 Right? So in many ways, it was a double betrayal. 219 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,455 You had to get a minibus up to the jail. 220 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,535 You had a wee box. 221 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:13,575 And sometimes the prison officer just came in and stood right in 222 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,095 and you only got half an hour a month. 223 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,975 You're looking at a different man. 224 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,975 He was obsessed with his role and his Republicanism, 225 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,335 even though I was sitting there as his wife. I had to go up. 226 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,695 I wanted to go up, but I hated going up. 227 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,535 There were a lot of women out there. 228 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,295 There was a lot of, I would have called them now, looking back, 229 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,135 Republican groupies. 230 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,175 There were some women flocked to men. 231 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,615 They looked up to and admired these men. 232 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,455 You know, there was this machoism they thought came from them. 233 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,855 You know, Republicanism and that sort of life, 234 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,175 it was OK for them. 235 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,775 It just wasn't OK for me. 236 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,375 Women were left carrying the can. 237 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,575 You know, they'd to do the triple shift, is what they say. 238 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,095 You know, keep the men happy in jail and look after the kids 239 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,935 and run the house. 240 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,975 Women were like second-class citizens. 241 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,935 When most of the men were in prison, 242 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,175 their kids were reared by the women. 243 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,375 Those kids were... They were lost as well. 244 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,375 There was a whole generation of kids lost. 245 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,055 They grew up and it was such an unbalanced society. 246 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,135 They grew up without their fathers, without a father figure. 247 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,415 I'm Bernadette McDonnell. 248 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,655 I grew up in Lyndon Avenue, it was just off Andersons town. 249 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,095 There was me, my mummy, Joseph, and my daddy when he was there. 250 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,295 I can remember Mummy saying that it was a thing then, 251 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,575 like, fellas didn't push prams. It was a woman's job. 252 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,855 She says, "Your da, when he came back," 253 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,695 she said, "He pushed yous up and down them hills," 254 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,775 and, you know, he was so proud. 255 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,895 He was always, you know, hands on. Whenever he could, he would. 256 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,695 He was there. 257 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,935 My daddy was my daddy. 258 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,375 My daddy was just an ordinary man. 259 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,655 Nobody knew you were in the IRA. 260 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,575 I sort of can't remember the bomb itself. 261 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,135 It would have been just on the news. 262 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,535 I can remember them coming in saying they got my daddy. 263 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,975 He was sentenced, when he went to Long Kesh, 264 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,295 got sentenced for 14 and a half years. 265 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,935 So when he went there, he decided there and then 266 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,855 that he wasn't taking visits and would not let me or Joseph see him. 267 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,215 So you didn't see your dad? No. 268 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,015 Four and a half years. 269 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,735 The only communication we had with him was wee letters 270 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,455 that were smuggled in and out of the prison. 271 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,535 And there was nothing worse than your mummy, 272 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,655 if you were messing about, or you'd done something, 273 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,335 and she'd have said, "I'm writing to your daddy." 274 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,855 The thought of it would have killed you! 275 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,935 And it was... We laugh about it now. Like, what could he have done? 276 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,775 You know, when you get older you realise, 277 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,535 "Sure, what could he have done?" 278 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,895 But then it was, "Oh, she's going to write and tell him." 279 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,895 My mummy just had to get strong. 280 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,775 Mummy had two young kids to look after. 281 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,095 NEWSREEL: The number of killed and injured have made this 282 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:10,415 the worst weekend for months in Northern Ireland. 283 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,175 But as in the case of most reprisals, 284 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,135 the people who suffered weren't the ones who started it all. 285 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,775 Just innocent customers sitting in a bar. 286 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,495 NEWSREEL: A bus carrying workers to their homes in Bessbrook village 287 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,615 was stopped by gunmen and ten Protestants shot in cold blood. 288 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,055 A Republican group admitted responsibility. 289 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,175 A Protestant paramilitary organisation is thought responsible 290 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,655 for the bomb, which killed two and injured five members 291 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,095 of Lisburn's Hibernian Club last night. 292 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:40,575 I hated to see the news. 293 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,775 I hated to see another... somebody had been blew up, 294 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,375 somebody had been shot. 295 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,335 NEWSREEL: It's the first time in several months that the letter bomb 296 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,335 has been used as a weapon in Northern Ireland, 297 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,575 and this will no doubt be seen as an escalation 298 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,135 of the Provisional IRA's campaign against prison officers. 299 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,895 A number of the devices have been delivered 300 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,655 in and around Belfast today. 301 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,495 I thought we were lucky out in the country. 302 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,455 I thought it was a safe haven out there. 303 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,615 There's one of Johnnie and Adrian at the front door of the flat. 304 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,135 That's a good one. 305 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:20,455 At that stage, Johnnie was working in a mechanic's place, 306 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,895 and he says, "I think I'll hand in my job and join the police.” 307 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,575 There you see it's the Royal Ulster Constabulary. 308 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,495 The first time he brung the forms home, 309 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,175 I threw them in the bin. I thought, "No, I will not. 310 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,895 "I'll not go that road.” It wasn't...it wasn't safe. 311 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,975 SIREN WAILS 312 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,895 ARCHIVE REEL: By any standards, the RUC is unique. 313 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,255 No other force in the United Kingdom is permanently armed with guns. 314 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,935 Our main problem, of course, is the fact that we undertake 315 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,735 policing in a province that's divided against itself. 316 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,695 And it's against that background that the police have to perform 317 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,935 their duties, which are in service of both and all sections 318 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,695 of the community. 319 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,975 You could hear in the news that police were being targeted. 320 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,695 Probably the Republican side of the community would have seen 321 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,015 the police as representing the Queen and the British government, 322 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,615 and they didn't want that. 323 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,855 I just thought we'd be better not going down that road 324 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,335 and staying away. 325 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,215 And Johnnie said, "No, it'd be a better job, better pension, 326 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,935 "better life, better pay.” So he joined. 327 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,655 It was a good job. It was a good living. 328 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,655 There wouldn't have been any riots down in round where we lived. 329 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,495 So Johnnie's way of life would have been just doing his job, 330 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,975 but being extra careful. 331 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,815 He loved going out in the community and doing the work of the police. 332 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,095 We were very happy. 333 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,415 We weren't getting a great deal of traction from outside in general, 334 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,935 because we were lying there every day and we were doing nothing 335 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,495 on the blanket and nobody had much interest in us. 336 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,135 And the dirty protests started and a bit of momentum gathered. 337 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,015 ARCHIVE REEL: These are the first pictures to be taken 338 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,735 of the protesters. 339 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,655 We put shit on the wall and piss out the door. 340 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,895 We were doing something positive, 341 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,975 as we seen it, we were fighting back. 342 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,055 There was actually a fight. 343 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,495 We're political prisoners! We want political status! 344 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,215 We're political prisoners! 345 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,415 We didn't shave, we didn't wash. 346 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,255 We didn't brush our teeth for three and a half years. 347 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,895 You walked in the H Block, 348 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,655 you were hit with an abominable smell. 349 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,215 Bloody drain running. 350 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,175 I hated maggots. Hated them. 351 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,255 The next thing, these fucking things came and started to emerge. 352 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,415 And I was aghast. Never seen a maggot in my life. 353 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,535 Dozens of them! 354 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,815 Here's me, "Fuck! What are we going to do?" 355 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,695 But there was other guys, their hair was just full 356 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,295 of dozens and dozens of maggots. 357 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,535 It was horrendous. 358 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,175 But the camaraderie was just incredible. 359 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,935 That was the one thing that kept the blanket men together. 360 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,495 And did Bernadette visit you? Every month, religiously. 361 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,295 It was very, very unpleasant. 362 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,295 I don't think I would ever forget the smell. 363 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,735 Ever forget the smell, or ever forget what it was like 364 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,695 even kissing Ricky. 365 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,895 I used to go home and try and rub my lips, 366 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,695 you know, because I could feel that smell on my lips. 367 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,615 And this was horrendous. 368 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,175 It was a horrific experience. 369 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,375 She had to kiss me because I had to give over 370 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,655 wee letters, wee communications - we called them comms - 371 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,735 to the outside leadership. 372 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,655 It was wee tissue papers and when Ricky came on a visit 373 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,895 then you had to kiss it over. 374 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,935 There was just this assumption, you'll be brought down, 375 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,895 you'll go in there, you'll get that letter. 376 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,655 It was just this expectancy. 377 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,095 I was told what to do, as if they owned me. 378 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,735 When you say they owned you, who is the "they"? 379 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,375 The Provos, the Sinn Fein. The Provos, you know, 380 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,015 they were the ones the letters was coming from, back and forward. 381 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,535 I just felt I'm drawn into this wee world here 382 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,415 where I don't want to be. 383 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,895 All the time all this anger was growing inside of me. 384 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,135 I got by, but I hated it. 385 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,935 I hated every minute of being a prisoner's wife. 386 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,295 I never knew the word hate until I got married, 387 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,735 until this happened. 388 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,255 MARGARET THATCHER: Her Majesty The Queen has asked me to form 389 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,735 a new administration. Where there is discord, 390 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,255 may we bring harmony. 391 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,295 And where there is despair, may we bring hope. 392 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,695 NEWSREEL: Lord Mountbatten has been killed by an explosion on his yacht 393 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,255 off the west coast of the Irish Republic. 394 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,575 The Provisional IRA have said they did it. 395 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,815 The blast also killed his grandson, Nicholas, who was 14. 396 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,455 A member of the crew died as well. 397 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,215 Lord Mountbatten was a close relative of both the Queen 398 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,295 and the Duke of Edinburgh. 399 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,735 NEWSREEL: It was at Warrenpoint last week that all the British Army's 400 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,375 fears about the new Provisional IRA organisation and tactics 401 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,495 were confirmed. 402 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,175 NEWSREEL: This multiple killing, the worst the security forces 403 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,535 have ever suffered in Northern Ireland, coming as it does 404 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,015 after the Mountbatten tragedy, must serve to only further 405 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,695 heighten tensions in Northern Ireland. 406 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,735 Now, don't move. 407 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,015 Can you please stand still? And I will move. 408 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,735 I will move to see the people. How are you? 409 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,575 Lord Mountbatten was Britain, and Britain was Lord Mountbatten. 410 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,655 Raze the H Block! We want H Block wiped out! 411 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,735 We want freedom for our country! 412 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,815 And your soldiers out! 413 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,575 NEWSREEL: The British government have made it clear 414 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,735 there's no going back to the pre '76 arrangements and meanwhile, 415 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,735 neither the blanket protest nor the dirty protest 416 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,615 have had the slightest effect in persuading the authorities 417 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,175 that those convicted of terrorist of fences 418 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,975 should have political status. 419 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,735 The British government just sat back and said, 420 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,455 "Fuck them. Who cares?" 421 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,215 We were on the dirty protest for the guts of three and a half years 422 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,055 and it had run its course. 423 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,895 The British conceded none of our five demands. 424 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,815 So we had to end it. 425 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,815 Something needed to present itself. 426 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,295 And what presented itself was the hunger strike. 427 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,855 well, there was a huge list. 428 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,695 There might have been 70 or 80 names on it, 429 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,375 with people wanting to go on hunger strike. 430 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,215 And our job was to pick people who would die. 431 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,895 It's as simple as that. 432 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,695 Bobby Sands went on hunger strike, on his own, on 1st March. 433 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,455 MARGARET THATCHER: We have a hunger strike at the Maze prison 434 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,335 in the quest for what they call political status. 435 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,295 There is no such thing as political murder, political bombing 436 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,655 or political violence. 437 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,495 There is only criminal murder, criminal bombing 438 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,135 and criminal violence. 439 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,095 We will not compromise on this. 440 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,815 There will be no political status. 441 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,375 Everything got more tense. 442 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,255 You know, when you went up for a visit, 443 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,975 things were getting worse on the outside and, you know, 444 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,335 the whole thing was gathering momentum. 445 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,175 SHOUTING, DRUMS BANGING 446 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,375 CROWD: Brits out! 447 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,935 People who had no interest were putting their weight 448 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,095 to get behind the prisoners, to get this situation resolved, 449 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,975 in the hope of trying to save lives. 450 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,455 You thought by putting your face in the crowd and building the crowd 451 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,455 that maybe the numbers here on the streets will get this stopped. 452 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,215 The torture must be called by its proper name. 453 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,975 So must all forms of oppression 454 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,215 and exploitation of man by the state, of one people by the other. 455 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,815 ARCHIVE REEL: Britain's problem does not end with Sands. 456 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,615 Behind the corrugated defences of the Maze prison, 457 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,535 there are three other men in the queue 458 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,055 for an agonising martyrdom. 459 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,095 The IRA has phased the hunger strike to maximise pressure on the British. 460 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,815 As the hunger strikers near the critical stage, 461 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,455 the atmosphere will become more tense. 462 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,135 The temperature will raise. 463 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,615 The frustration will become more intense. 464 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,815 And eventually there will be a confrontation. 465 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,615 You did feel sorry for them, but I didn't think they would go 466 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,175 as far as what they did. 467 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,415 I thought they would have called it off, like the dirty protest. 468 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,655 Like, who in this day and age would starve themselves to death 469 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,455 for a cause? 470 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,255 The wing itself became like a morgue. 471 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,095 It was a death march. 472 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,855 Because we all knew Bobby wasn't going to stop. 473 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,815 Unless the British moved... 474 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,375 ...substantially, he was going to die. 475 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,695 Mrs Sands, when are you coming to see your son again? 476 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,215 Tomorrow. Tomorrow again. 477 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,775 Do you think if he does go into a coma, 478 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,175 you would give the authorisation for him to be intravenously fed? 479 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,495 No, he told me not to. 480 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,175 It's a sad thing to say, and I would feel... 481 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,055 I love my son, just like any other mother does, 482 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,695 but I wouldn't. 483 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,255 After 21 days or something, he left our wing 484 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,095 and was taken up to the prison hospital. 485 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,695 I remember just talking, 486 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,295 just having a quiet word with him. "How are you, Bob?" 487 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,855 And there was an awful sadness in his eyes. 488 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,255 He didn't want to die. 489 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,615 He was hoping against hope that some solution could be found. 490 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,775 NEWSREEL: An IRA man on hunger strike in the Maze prison, 491 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,935 Bobby Sands, has been left with a straight fight 492 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,895 against the official Unionist candidate, Mr Harry West, 493 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,335 in next month's Fermanagh and South Tyrone by-election, 494 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,575 after the withdrawal of the independent candidate. 495 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,335 Sands, Bobby. 496 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,975 Anti H Block, Armagh. Political prisoner, 497 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,735 30,000... CHEERING 498 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,255 492, 499 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,575 ARCHIVE REEL: Hunger striker prisoner Bobby Sands 500 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,255 has won the by-election in Northern Ireland by a narrow majority, 501 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,735 but it's still a propaganda boost for the IRA. 502 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,295 There was a hope. 503 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,375 It was a very faint hope that maybe because he was now an MP, 504 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,575 Thatcher would be reluctant to let him die. 505 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,495 I understand Mr Sands is still on hunger strike and I regret 506 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,615 that he has not decided to come off it. 507 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,055 No concessions as they have asked for? 508 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,655 No. There can be no possible concessions on political status. 509 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,335 ARCHIVE REEL: Bobby Sands, IRA man serving a 14-year sentence 510 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,295 for arms of fences, begins the 61st day of his hunger strike. 511 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,975 How's your son, Mrs Sands? 512 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,815 My son's dying, and I would like to appeal to the people... 513 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,855 ...for to remain calm 514 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,455 and to have no fighting or cause no death or destruction. 515 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,175 Take it away. 516 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,655 Thanks very much. 517 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,455 NEWSREEL: In the last hour, the news has filtered through 518 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,215 to this community that Bobby Sands has died after 66 days 519 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,575 of hunger strike. 520 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,135 It was just awful. It was just... 521 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,855 ...incredibly, incredibly sad. 522 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,255 You know? 523 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,415 It was a blessing... 524 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,055 ...to have met him. 525 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,335 BIN LIDS RATTLE 526 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,975 I can remember hearing the bin lids when Bobby Sands died. 527 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,375 There was a lot more rioting. 528 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,335 It definitely did up the ante, there's no doubt about that. 529 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,695 Belfast was ratcheted up to boiling point, you know. 530 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,775 It was craziness. 531 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,255 The tribal thing split the two communities in half. 532 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,575 But the Catholics would be mourning the death of the hunger strikers, 533 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,615 and we'd be praying for them to die, you know what I mean? 534 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,535 GUNFIRE 535 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,095 Oh, I just get the shivers, even thinking about it. 536 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,135 The atmosphere was so heavy. 537 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,095 You felt it and you heard it. 538 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,575 You just knew it's going to just explode. 539 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,175 I think those, for me, are probably the worst times that I remember, 540 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,015 whenever Northern Ireland was very, very close to all-out civil war. 541 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,495 Let's have you, you fucking bastard! 542 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,655 EXPLOSIONS 543 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,855 Can I ask you how you feel about Bobby Sands' death? 544 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,815 Delighted. Delighted. 545 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,295 Here, yo, yo, yo! 546 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,695 I mean, there was 100,000 people or something 547 00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:46,615 at Bobby Sands' funeral. 548 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,015 There was so much fear and anger and hopelessness. 549 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,815 GUNFIRE 550 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,495 I carried a wreath at Bobby's funeral, behind the coffin. 551 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,175 Bobby was just my daddy's friend. 552 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,935 I can remember Bobby's family. 553 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,215 Bobby's son. 554 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,415 Heartbreaking. 555 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,375 Heartbreaking seeing them standing at the grave. 556 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,335 Did you ever think when you saw that that you would be in that position? 557 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,895 No, never. 558 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,935 It was Friday night and my mummy got us before we went to bed. 559 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,615 Just got us, me and Joseph together and told us. 560 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,535 Explained to us what was happening. 561 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,615 That my daddy was going on hunger strike the next day. 562 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,455 We got up the next day and the cameras were all 563 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,855 outside the front door. 564 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,455 My husband could die. 565 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,455 I know he could die. 566 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,775 And if my husband did die, I would still... I will continue 567 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,615 and fight until every man, every Irish man is free. 568 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,015 I'm young, I want my husband, and my children need their father. 569 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,415 We got to see my daddy on hunger strike. 570 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,975 That was the first time in four and a half years. 571 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,295 So to see your daddy after four and a half years, 572 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,655 it was very special. Very special. 573 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,015 I can remember just seeing him standing there. 574 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,455 He was gorgeous. He was lovely. He was just my daddy. 575 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,935 To me that day, he was Joe McDonnell, my daddy. 576 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,815 He wasn't Joe McDonnell, hunger striker. 577 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,855 He put us on his knee, he let us sit on his knee. 578 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,895 And I remember my aunt saying, "Get off your knee, 579 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,615 "get off your daddy's knee." 580 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,255 He says, "I'll hold them here as long as I can.” 581 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,415 It was really, really lovely. 582 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,615 A week later, Frank Hughes is dead. 583 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,495 BIN LIDS RATTLE 584 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,855 I would just like to say that Margaret Thatcher, 585 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,495 the British government, has murdered my brother. 586 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,935 Francis' blood is on Margaret Thatcher's hands. 587 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,615 Thatcher was as static as ever. 588 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,375 "Fuck them. Let them die. Bring it on.” 589 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,175 It's a tragedy that young men should be persuaded, coerced 590 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,295 or ordered to starve themselves to death for a futile cause. 591 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,095 It would seem that dead hunger strikers who have extinguished 592 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,735 their own lives are of more use to the Provisional IRA 593 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,495 than living members. 594 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,535 Two weeks after that, we had the deaths of Raymond McCreesh 595 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,335 and Patsy O'Hara. 596 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,295 So there was four hunger strikers dead. 597 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,135 So you had this sort of cycle of death. 598 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,735 There was quite a lot of murders during the hunger strike. 599 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,295 Another policeman, another soldier. 600 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,935 Johnnie had been on the police for about a year. 601 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,535 We were scared. 602 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,055 NEWSREEL: The bomb went off and the policeman who died 603 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,015 was 23-year-old Kenneth Atchison, who lived with his wife 604 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,335 and baby son in Armagh. 605 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,775 The IRA have always viewed the RUC as legitimate targets. 606 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,655 They've always viewed them as the defenders of the state. 607 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,895 This was Constable Robinson's local pub. 608 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,935 The gunmen were obviously aware of his movements and were waiting 609 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,575 for him to leave. 610 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,255 And did the IRA make a distinction between good cops and bad cops? 611 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,215 No such thing. 612 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,415 As far as the IRA was concerned, they were all bad cops. 613 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,175 Did you ever consider that police officers have families? 614 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,335 No. It is never the individual. The IRA attacked the uniform. 615 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,415 They didn't attack Henry Jones or Bertie Smith. 616 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,655 They attacked the uniform. 617 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,455 In our village, there had been a young man going home from work 618 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,455 on the main road when another car came up behind him 619 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,655 and tried to shoot him. 620 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,895 Only the gun jammed and the magazine fell out. 621 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,215 Then that heightened the whole security thing. 622 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,095 You were just... You knew this had come home. 623 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,135 This had touched our village. 624 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,735 You know, the Troubles had come to sleepy Upperlands. 625 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,815 You'd have been going shopping and watching, 626 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,695 was there anyone following you, or was there a car sitting about? 627 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,775 When you had someone in the security forces in your family, 628 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,615 that was your way of life. 629 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,735 Constantly living the fear of not knowing 630 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,135 when it would be your turn. 631 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,495 Every time you turned the TV on, somebody was dead. 632 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,775 Six IRA men were killed, there were 13 paratroopers were killed. 633 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,855 Another policeman was killed. 634 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,415 Just so much killing in this place, and it's becoming so normal. 635 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,535 But we were a very dysfunctional and broken society. 636 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,335 I don't think Berna... 637 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,095 Bernadette didn't handle the whole thing well at all. 638 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,215 Bernadette came up on a visit. 639 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,655 And all I talked about the whole visit was the hunger strike, 640 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,895 and she snapped. 641 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,935 And she says, "I don't... I don't give a fuck about you. 642 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,455 "I don't give a fuck about your hunger strike." 643 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,175 I was so angry. So angry. 644 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,935 I didn't want to go up there and listen about the so-called war. 645 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,255 I think at that stage, they must've thought I was having the breakdown, 646 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,455 because they sent somebody up to the house. 647 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,535 This was after a visit. 648 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,455 And I said, "Fuck you and fuck the IRA. 649 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,655 "Fuck Maggie Thatcher and fuck Richard O'Rawe." 650 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,535 So it wasn't a good place. 651 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,215 It wasn't a good place. 652 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,135 We were going up to see our daddy. 653 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,375 And because he was on hunger strike then, we got to see him more. 654 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,775 Two fellas in America had decided that they were going to try 655 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,975 and take kids out of the conflict from both sides 656 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,775 over to America to give them a break during the summer. 657 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,015 And Joseph decided he wasn't going. 658 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,135 So I says I wasn't going. 659 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,695 My daddy says to me, "Please go. Go, love.” 660 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,535 He says, "Go there and tell everybody. 661 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,815 "Tell everybody what's happening here.” 662 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,335 So I did. I just wanted to make him proud. 663 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,175 ARCHIVE REEL: Over 700 children from both sides of the divide 664 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,935 are flying to America to holiday together. 665 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,695 I'm going to Upper State New York. New York. 666 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,615 What are you going to do out in the States? 667 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,495 Play football. Get a girl! 668 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,375 Well, we're here on Flight E435, 669 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,055 and it's just a few minutes before take-off. 670 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,815 It was difficult because I was leaving my daddy. 671 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,375 I was leaving my mummy and Joseph, but I knew I had to do it. 672 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,295 I went on TV. I went on the radio. 673 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,815 Papers, anything just to try and keep my daddy alive. 674 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,655 ARCHIVE REEL: I was out playing on the swing, 675 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,975 and I heard five big shots going off, 676 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,215 and you'd think the sky was just coming in on you. 677 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,735 Now, your dad, I think we should say your dad is in prison, right? 678 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,735 Yes. And he's also one of the hunger strikers, isn't he? Yes. 679 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,015 Can anybody help the situation, do you think, in Northern Ireland? 680 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,535 Well, if the people of America would write to President Reagan, 681 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,535 he might phone Mrs Thatcher and then the pressure 682 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,575 would be put on Mrs Thatcher and she will have to do something. 683 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,855 Unbelievable, isn't it, like, for a ten-year-old? 684 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,135 You know, we had to let the world know. 685 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,215 You felt that responsibility? Yes, I did feel that responsibility, 686 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,335 yeah. 687 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,255 ARCHIVE REEL: Ten-year-old Bernadette McDonnell is visiting 688 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,775 a Long Island, New York family. 689 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,135 Her father, Joseph McDonnell, is seven weeks into a hunger strike 690 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,655 in Maze prison. He's fighting for his country. 691 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,615 When you saw him last Saturday, how was he? 692 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,095 Well, his teeth was starting to stick out. 693 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,335 And he was spitting up water. 694 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,735 Is he? 695 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,295 And every day, Bernadette awaits her aunt's telephone calls 696 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,895 on her father's condition. 697 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,775 She knows she'll lose him, but she says the struggle 698 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,775 to get the British out of Northern Ireland will go on. 699 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,415 We'll just go on doing what we've been doing. 700 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,335 Helping on the streets and watching. 701 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:06,855 I can't remember that one. 702 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,895 That was a wee bit more... 703 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,175 ...harder to watch that one. 704 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,455 Why? Erm, I seen a child holding back. 705 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,455 Holding back in crying. 706 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,095 Holding back in maybe just wanting to run home. 707 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,655 Maybe just... Just holding back. 708 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,215 Well, tonight, the man with most at stake is the hunger striker 709 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,335 Joe McDonnell, now about to enter his 61st day without food. 710 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,455 He's said to be very weak, and his family are at his bedside. 711 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,855 I can remember getting phone calls. 712 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,055 I knew my daddy wasn't good. 713 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,775 I just knew by the phone calls. 714 00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,095 And I wanted home. 715 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,295 And my aunt came and got me from the airport. 716 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,335 And we were coming up Kennedy Way onto Andytown road, 717 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,375 and there was a bus burning. 718 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,135 And I says, "What's the bus burning for?" 719 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,295 And they shouted, "Joe McDonnell's dead." 720 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,495 So that's how I found out my daddy was dead. 721 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,575 BIN LIDS RATTLE 722 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,215 At that time my daddy's body was home. 723 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,175 And I can remember looking at him and crying. 724 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,855 I cried and I cried hard. 725 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,055 And that was it, I didn't cry again. 726 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,575 I wasn't going to do this. 727 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,735 We just kissed the coffin. 728 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,015 And that was my 11th birthday. 729 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,415 My daddy was buried on my 11th birthday. 730 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,615 All I ever wanted when I was a kid was my daddy. 731 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,575 Just my daddy to be there. I think any wee girl wants their daddy. 732 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,095 That poor wee girl, I remember her mummy and I remember 733 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,775 what they went through. 734 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,095 You didn't think you were ever going to come out of it. 735 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,615 You didn't know... Does anybody want to resolve this? 736 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,495 And you were going, "There's lives here. 737 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,255 "There are lives, there are men dying. 738 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,615 "Somebody swallow your pride, do something." 739 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,655 The thing was like a juggernaut, an out-of-control juggernaut. 740 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,455 NEWSREEL: With six hunger strikers now dead and two more likely 741 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,855 to die within a few days, 742 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,095 the IRA protest, far from fizzling out 743 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,815 as some people thought it might, 744 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,095 seems to be making a growing impact. 745 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,935 Nobody knew where it was going or how it was going to end. 746 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,615 SHOUTS AND GUNFIRE 747 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,535 NEWSREEL: Now nine prisoners dead, the strike has still not ended. 748 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,295 Another IRA man began refusing food today. 749 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,655 There were violent scenes in Dublin as a demonstration in support 750 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,655 of the hunger strikers was broken up. 751 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,415 By then it was clear this war could have no winner. 752 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,775 This is where they were planning to come to live. 753 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,815 It's decorated to perfection. 754 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,135 Oh, they had done very well, you know, 755 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,935 to have this house finished for the new baby coming home on Friday. 756 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,255 We actually had moved house and I was papering. 757 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,015 I was putting wallpaper on and I went into early lab our. 758 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,655 So I went into hospital on the Thursday morning. 759 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,935 And then Johnnie was born on the Thursday night. 760 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,735 How was that? That was quick! 761 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,615 That was quick, when he wasn't due for another five weeks. 762 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,015 On the Saturday night when I was still in hospital, 763 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,575 my friend and neighbour had been shot dead in the village. 764 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,975 And Johnnie had come up to the hospital that night to tell me. 765 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,255 That was a shock. 766 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,175 Alan was security forces as well. 767 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,975 So that would be the first night that it brought it home to him 768 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,895 that he had a target on his back. 769 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,535 Johnnie went to his funeral and carried his coffin. 770 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,135 Then he came up that night to visit. 771 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,255 I can still recall that day, that night. 772 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,615 Still recall waiting on Johnnie coming to the hospital. 773 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,055 It's husbands only at night, 774 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,935 So no-one else is allowed in to visit. 775 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,735 And he'd come in and we had sandwiches in the ward. 776 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,855 Somebody had brought sandwiches up, and we were having tea 777 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,495 and sandwiches, and we were still chatting. 778 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,375 Then it come that time, it's time to go home. 779 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,615 You know, you can still see yourself walking down the corridor, 780 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,615 saying goodnight and hurrying back up the corridor 781 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,295 to the window and then standing there to wait for his car 782 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,615 to come up, which never came. 783 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,695 You know, you're standing at the window 784 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,655 and the gunmen's car come up. 785 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,895 I was only in hospital for five days, 786 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,655 and within five days, 787 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,375 the IRA had everything set up, you know, 788 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,895 for to kill him that night. 789 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,375 GUNSHOTS 790 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,455 NEWSREEL: John Proctor was the 17th policeman to be killed 791 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,055 in Ulster this year. 792 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,535 But the cold-blooded cruelty of John Proctor's murder 793 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,535 has left people shocked and horrified. 794 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,255 He was just getting into the car. 795 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,935 We'd bought a new car and he was getting into the car, 796 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,055 so it was, and Johnnie didn't see them. 797 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,655 And they shot him in the back. In the back. 798 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,935 Of all places, in the back. 799 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,935 Our whole families were just ripped apart. 800 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,455 Like, the hunger strikers, they had a choice on their life, 801 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,375 whether to starve themselves and give up their life, 802 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,095 whereas Johnnie didn't pick that he wanted to be killed that night 803 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,335 outside the hospital, you know. 804 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,895 He got no choice in that. 805 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,255 That night, he wasn't a policeman. 806 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,855 He was a father and a husband going up to see his newborn son. 807 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,215 ARCHIVE REEL: The day after the funeral, 808 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,655 June returned to the hospital where John was killed 809 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,175 to collect the new baby. 810 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,135 Is that our wee baby? Is it? 811 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,775 Coat? No, that's not a coat. That's his shawl. 812 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,935 Shawl? Shawl. You have to wrap that round him and keep him warm. 813 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,535 That's to keep him warm. 814 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,815 June had intended to call the new baby Ryan, 815 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,575 but he'll now be christened John, after his father. 816 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,655 That's your wee brother! Isn't it? Baby! Baby. 817 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,295 Everything changed. 818 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,135 It's going to be a whole new world. 819 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,455 Not one we had planned, but... 820 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,975 Two boys and no father. 821 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,695 Did you sort of wonder why it had to be your dad? 822 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,815 Not then, no. 823 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,655 Afterwards maybe. 824 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,455 I can't imagine a life... 825 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,535 ...with him being there, because he wasn't, you know what I mean? 826 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,135 But I can tell you what he missed. 827 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,695 Yeah. 828 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,175 He's missed a life with my mummy. 829 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,695 He's missed watching me and Joseph grow up. 830 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,535 He's missed out on life himself. 831 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,415 But he done it for us. 832 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,935 Done it for his country. 833 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,095 I still get people that come to me and say he was a hero. 834 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,415 How does it make me feel? 835 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,015 Proud. Very proud. 836 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,895 Everything about the Troubles was sad. 837 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,935 Every life that was lost during the Troubles was sad. 838 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,495 Whether you were a police officer or a soldier, 839 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,895 a UVF man, an IRA man, a hunger striker. 840 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,775 Every life was precious. 841 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,855 And yet life here meant nothing. 842 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,095 So many broken hearts. 843 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,575 So many broken hearts in this country. 844 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,655 I left prison. Bernadette said to me, 845 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,215 "Look, I want you out of everything." 846 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,855 And, erm... She says, "It's like this here. 847 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,655 "It's either the Republican movement, or me and your daughter.” 848 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,695 So I left the movement. 849 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,975 And I think I put her through hell, and I regret that. 850 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,335 We made it through. 851 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,455 Surprising as it was, and tough as it was. 852 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,335 We are lucky that we're still alive and we're still together 853 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,535 and we got here, because so many people from that period of time... 854 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,455 ...didn't make it through. 855 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,935 You're still married. Still here! 856 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,135 You did it. Yeah. 857 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,775 46. 46 years now. 858 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,295 46 years married. 859 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,055 46 golden years! 860 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,215 No comment! 861 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,255 NEWSREEL: The principal strand of evidence linking this man, 862 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,415 Seamus Martin Kearney, to the killing was a cigarette butt 863 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,415 found close to the getaway car. 864 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,855 The judge imposed a life sentence. 865 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,055 We were robbed of our justice. 866 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,655 I've had good times. I've remarried. 867 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,895 I've had more family. 868 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,295 I've grandchildren. 869 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,455 But it's always been there. 870 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,095 The hatred is there. I've lived my life with that. 871 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,855 My prayers at night, I could never say 872 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,415 "and forgive those that trespass against us". 873 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,495 I can't say that. I can't say that in my prayer. 874 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,895 ARCHIVE REEL: Do you know who does all this? 875 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,735 Our life was living a lie all of the time. 876 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,295 Did I say something? Did I slip up? 877 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,055 EXPLOSIONS Jesus! 878 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,735 GUNFIRE 879 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,615 A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. 880 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,455 You've got to remove those people from society. 881 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,415 One wrong word can lead to somebody dying. 882 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,455 Loose talk costs lives. 883 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,815 To watch exclusive interviews about the making of this series, 884 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,735 visit... 885 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,615 ...and follow the links to the Open University.